(DIS)CKB Community DAO Proposal

CKB Community Fund DAO
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First of all, I don’t understand who you are representing at this conference. Are you representing Nervos, yourself, or someone else?

Secondly, what is your goal in attending these conferences? Is it to chat and make friends, do business development and establish partnerships, or to help develop Nervos’ business model? The core relationships of Nervos should be left to the marketing department. How deep is your understanding of Nervos’ core development? If you don’t have a deep enough understanding of development, how do you know that the ideas you hear at the exhibition can be implemented in actual development?

Thirdly, what can you do by attending this conference? Can you deeply understand the combination of the theme and development level of these conferences? Do you know about development? What can you contribute?

Fourthly, I don’t know what benefits your attendance at the conferences can bring to the DAO. Since you cannot represent Nervos and cannot integrate products, business, and development, it would be better for the team to attend. Your attendance will only increase your personal value, and the messages you convey at the conference may not be fair and unbiased. Your understanding and abilities cannot represent Nervos or our community. In that case, it would be more accurate to buy conference videos or rely on official written reports.

I have personally attended many forums just like Affiliate Summit West in Vegas on behalf of myself where I could make decisions on-site such as purchasing advertising or becoming an agent for certain institutions. My friend acted as an agent directly exhibiting their clients there too.

In summary，your attendance at exhibitions is just being an observer or reporter which does not add much value compared with leaving budget for Nervos’ own marketing/product/development personnel participation instead，or simply buying video/texts from conferences.

Finally, considering your support for Tanner’s proposal, “I stand by Tanner’s proposal,” I don’t think your understanding can represent mine. Therefore, even if you attend these conferences, I don’t believe you can convey the correct values to the community. So, I strongly do not support your proposal.

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Now you’re just on some sort of personal crusade. Plenty of people supported my proposal. In fact @matt.bit was the one in telegram to suggest I do the textbook. Does this mean you are now against the foundation as well?

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Hey, thank you for your feedback.

First of all, I don’t understand who you are representing at this conference. Are you representing Nervos, yourself, or someone else?

read the proposal before commenting please. This question is answered in the first sentence of the “how” section.

How I’ll do this:

“Representing Nervos”.

You are really only damaging your own credibility by not reading what you’re trying to pontificate on if I can be frank. Everyone can observe you here.

At these meetups I will be representing Nervos. For clarification, I am only there to promote the Nervos network. I’m using my sales experience and through understanding of blockchain principles and Nervos as well. I have a strong grasp of where Nervos is at and their history as I have followed and contributed articles to the project since before the genesis block.

“How deep is your understanding of Nervos core development?”

Deep enough for Jan, the chief blockchain engineer and architect at Nervos, to directly endorse my proposal. As well as Matt, and the majority of the community.

I am representing it for the community hence the community DAO proposal. Nervos is open sourced decentralized, and I can help alleviate other foundation members and increase our reach with my comprehensive understanding.

The marketing department was somewhat dissolved so we are missing much of the marketing and sales angle. I too have gone to many crypto meetups and I find it quite possible, arguably simple to make deals and partnerships once the proper pitch is given, which the community can attest to.

I look forward to discussing this at length.

-William

edit: I think there may be a language gap or you are struggling to read the proposal. Some of your statements show a lack of basic understanding. Please read the proposal before commenting.

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wow … we should start closing these topics after 1 week

some points to clarify:

  1. @Vesper “the marketing department was dissolved” - while we do not have a “head of marketing” there are still content and events working groups, we are far from a situation in which marketing was dissolved

  2. @woodbury.bit “the core relationships of Nervos should be left to the marketing department.” - a decentralized thing doesn’t grow by clenching it’s grip

  3. @woodbury.bit “If you don’t have a deep enough understanding of development, how do you know that the ideas you hear at the exhibition can be implemented in actual development?” - a great deal of effort has been expended to lower the barrier to entry for developers. William has far more than the requisite understanding to increase awareness and interest in building on CKB.

  4. @woodbury.bit “It would be better for the team to attend” - again, a decentralized thing doesn’t grow by someone clenching its grip on it. Foundation personnel can’t be everywhere at all times and there is an opportunity cost (in terms of scarce time, human capacity and strategic foresight) to attending events. Increasing the breadth of who is out there IRL increasing awareness and possibility is beneficial in this respect.

  5. @woodbury.bit “your understanding and abilities cannot represent Nervos or our community.” - everyone is entitled to their opinion. Overall I think you are attributing to much to “Nervos” or “our community”. We’re a community of individuals that choose to collaborate and the foundation exists to facilitate that rather than be something “official” and domineering in and of itself.

  6. @woodbury.bit “leaving budget for Nervos’ own marketing/product/development personnel participation…” - the CKB Community Fund DAO is here specifically to facilitate people taking a lead in pushing CKB.

  7. @tannr I suggested writing “Mastering CKB” with a chapter list example I provided here. The idea is a crowd-sourced reference intended solely to facilitate understanding of CKB and building on it- you can check out “Mastering Bitcoin” (or Ethereum/Lighting) for reference to what I was thinking.
    While your textbook would be an inspiring read and immense contribution to our field (and increase visibility and soundness of the CKB narrative), in my opinion it overall skews a bit tangential to my suggestion.

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Okay, I really don’t dare to oppose the foundation. Can you reveal some details about the book with “matt.bit”? I’m a small retail investor and I don’t know much about the Nervos Foundation. Who has the final say in the foundation?

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you say all that stuff about me not understanding the protocol, yet you don’t know much about the foundation? do you know who I am or are you just trying to blast people who want to improve the ecosystem?

(hint: I founded the community)

I think you’ve been a bit presumptuous so far.

“your understanding and abilities cannot represent Nervos or our community

I think these statements hurt your credibility because Matt is in charge of foundation and he says I do understand it just fine. It really seems like you’re just trying to make these arguments in bad faith. You clearly don’t know me or my understanding.

Have a nice day

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I was making a point based on what you said in your comment. You said that @Vesper cannot be relied upon as an agent of Nervos because he agreed with my proposal. So I was asking if you would make that sort of generalization toward the foundation as well.

I wasn’t saying you CANT do that; plenty of people oppose the foundation regularly. I was merely asking a question to establish how broadly you apply this generalization, because your answer would open the door for me to make my next point. But I guess I didn’t expect you to avoid the question

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But it is clear you belong to a little group of crusaders; you all go around insulting the same people and make sure to throw “likes” at your other members’ posts to show support. It’s very obviously a coalition of toxicity. It’s a shame too. Because in my last reply to you in my proposal thread, I attempted to build a bridge (so to speak) where we could meet in the middle with mutual understanding. It’s not clear to me that will not happen, because you have no interest in turning this into something productive

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Refrain from personal attacks please.

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We should all agree to refrain from such attacks.

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I’m not sure what your problem is but at this point you’re not only unhelpful, but flat out detrimental to the goal of constructive discussion. Please resign from posting here

@matt.bit ban him quickly！

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Okay, Okay. We look down upon the foundation, we look down upon the community. Okay? Who is the foundation? who is the community?

You guys are so strong. Your values are outstanding — “$165000 per notebook”. You have helped Nervos withstand the selling pressure “Spend lots of money buy 200K CKB”. Okay. Whatever.

So, just give you a word in Chinese, “司马昭之心，路人皆知。”

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Guys let’s be civil

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We have a community telegram chat if you’d care to join

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We aren’t trying to be strong. We just have convictions. It is my conviction that Shannon wasn’t co-operative

However people can change. She’s always welcome back with a better attitude

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I said loud and clear. Considering your support for Tanner’s proposal, I don’t think your understanding can represent mine. Your consensus is not my consensus.
Your values are completely different from mine.I am a retail investor, and I need to be responsible for my investments and protect my own interests.
Moreover, my experience tells me that someone who habitually makes mistakes will not change.

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I’m sorry we couldn’t find common ground here. I will keep trying. Nervos is open and decentralized we can agree to disagree and still have shared values through the protocol. I’m sorry things got out of hand.

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Who specifically does ‘foundation’ refer to here? Please explain it to me very clearly. I really want to hear specific names from you.
Thank you so much.

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Yeah you’re right. I undermined my own point there. I wish we had all handled this differently before it devolved to this extent

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it was rhetorical question. But I’m specifically referring to the legal entities that make up foundation & the other companies in charge of building the core protocol & the people in their employ