This is really great feedback, appreciate you.
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Hey @Yeti, itās all in the DNA generation which once again fall into the creation and well provided guided instructions for the end user to followā
A form with the right options and restrictions can do it, but once more, easier said than done. Ultimately its a matter of education and things get refined along the way. I think no oneās built this tool yet because it takes some solid behind-the-scenes logic to keep things smooth. With funding we could deep dive, put more resources to work, and make it happen! I would definitly be cool to see programable dobs made by anyone.
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Would be good to see the DAO team stepping in to discuss improvement opportunities with the proposal, such as retrospective funding and percentages 
Anyone?
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oh yeah, i am working on something really cool to test just that So, whatever works here can definitly be applied to Spore Studio
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One of the main goal of our project is to create a tool for end users to interact with the Nervos Network directly. Minting a NFT without going through any marketplaces. Also the applications of this tool goes beyond digital artworks.
Users could tokenize anything they could imagine on Nervos Network. From a simple document to a complicated contract, users now have an way to tokenize that on a blockchain and be secured on the network. Tokenization is also a path to the DeFi projects as well. That are many usages of NFTs. We want a tool that gives users away to use it easily without a learning curve. Let them figure out how to use tokenization in their way.
With all the wonderful technology offered by Nervos, we do not have many simple DApps that allows end users to take all the advantages offered by Nervos.
It is understandable the developers community only want fundings to go to high level developments on the network. BUT without more end users attracted to use the Network, adoption may take a lot longer.
As to the high price point mentioned previously, Telmo and I are not developers by profession. A project like this requires us to outsource the work load. This is the exact reason why we are seeking funding from the CKB Ecosystem.
Some mentioned our project is redundant. IMO, CKB Ecosystem needs A LOT more redundance. There is room for more DEXās, Marketplaces, DeFi platform, artistic expressions. The CKB Ecosystem needs to have a lot more DApps in order to mature.
Please consider our proposal from a NON-Developer standpoint. Use an end-users point of view to see what we are looking to achieve. Not a ground breaking project but an useful tool for non-technical end-uses.
Thank you for considering our proposal.
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yeah like I donāt want to discourage you guys but essentially the foundation would be paying for you guys to steward the creation of this platform-- where if you were a developer we wouldnāt have to pay a steward. And in fairness if we did its better to have a high end developer in such a position. Who can efficiently delegate the work-- having a more thorough perspective and experience on all the logistics in bringing the project to fruitionā¦ For me Iām not a Developer so i do understand where your coming from. But for now Iām actively taking comp classes so i can improve. I would say this project for these reasons is quite ambitious for people like us, we would be incrementally de-valuing the precious holders shares and further depleting the foundations funds and from the perspective of governance and fiduciary duties this doesnāt seem wise. Maybe successful smaller projects to start things like marketing content creation, social functions, or just good old helping out where we can! etcā¦ will serve Nervos better for people with our present skill set, Until we level up 
all the best,
Night
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I totally disagree with this point of view.
Leaving everything up to devs is one of the reasons CKB is where it is when it comes to usage and adoption.
Developers, especially top level devs like most of the people who work on CKB are generally not business minded and most probably couldnāt care less about the business development and marketing of the projects they work on.
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So Non-Developer need not apply. Is that correct? Please go update the website for the Community DAO so thatās clear for everyone going forward. Got it.
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Telmo and I use our real names and faces with the community. Not screen names. Our faces are on our videos. A lot of the community members no already know us. I am located in New York City if anyone would like a meet up for coffee/lunch/dinner let me know. I have 30 plus experience with business development. Back ground from Wall Street.
Requesting funding from the Community DAO is our way of getting more involved with the community and share our dapps. The amount requested is not an amount that will retire Telmo and I.
It is prudent to manage the fund so not to be scammed by dishonest people. But at the same time, the fund is there to attract anyone who wants to build on Nervos. Not just developers. Sometime in business you will encounter a bad apple but that one success could also be a game changer. Taking measured risks is necessary to grow and develop your business.
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Hold on here! I think the point was that neither Albert nor I are professional developers, but Iām handling most of the development work. Just because itās not my main job doesnāt mean Iām not leading the development on this project.
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Although I do not support this project, I have always appreciated your active attempts. If this proposal ultimately fails to pass, I hope you will not be discouraged.
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I did not say we cannot contribute to CKB as non developers, But I think you can agree at least its within reason that if we expect non-developers to take lead roles in development type projects, I should hope we at least see these non-developers prove themselves first and preferably not at the cost of the foundation, or if so a smaller proposal seen to success before we fund in my opinion a larger project to the beat of 48000 USD.
Although with all that being said, i do think there is something to say about the history of successful projects in Nervos, the reality is the necessity for experienced devās is true. the landscape can shift very fast and often things become outdated very quickly. If you can present a project on Nervos that was stewarded by Non-developers today that is very successful, Iām more then interested to hear about it?!
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But how exactly are non-devs meant to prove themselves without employing devs, who need to be paid?
Itās impossible to expect anyone to front their own money to build on CKB when thereās a very slim chance to be financially successful at this stage.
If you have a good app idea, you can build on some other chains and actually have a decent chance of making some money, even if only through a pump and dump token launch, but this just canāt happen on CKB, so there is no incentive.
The biggest problem we have is that this DAO would rather hold onto itās CKB and see it go to zero, rather than possibly āwasteā it.
If you read the last annual report, Nervos spent about $10 Million USD last year.
This is about $27K every day, so in just 2 days the Foundation/Eco fund etc spends more than this proposal.
I donāt even have a problem with this spending, Iām just bringing it up because I think thereās a mindset in this DAO that we need to be ultra responsible and conservative with āourā funds, while the other side of Nervos wouldnāt even blink an eye at $48K, they probably spend that just going to a conference which has very questionable ROI.
I agree here, its a big amount. Iām not saying itās not worth it, but the optics arenāt good and I think Telmo and Albert should both have known this DAO well enough to know it doesnāt part with money easily and that this proposal in itās current form stands almost no chance of getting approved.
But Iām sure with some negotiations as far as the funding amount and also the goals and milestones, then it could get through if we could all just have some open minds.
I canāt, but this really supports my point because can you point to a very successful project on CKB at all from a business perspective?
Nearly every project and app weāve seen on CKB has been led by devs from top to bottom, or at least from teams within Nervos.
Nervape would probably be the only independent one I can think of, because Echo isnāt a dev as far as I know.
But we just need to try a different approach IMO and having people on top running the business and marketing side of things and telling the devs what to build needs to be given shot and I donāt see too many other community members stepping up to give it a go.
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I believe these issues deserve higher priority. The CKB ecosystem needs more business and product-driven efforts, likely from our community. This is great because weāre building a bazaar, not a cathedral.
Actions involve risks, and we can learn to live with them. Itās better to use past failures as lessons for improving DAO design rather than increasing fears. Keeping funds unused for too long also poses risks, such as hindering ecosystem growth and missing opportunities.
Iām not saying this because I believe this initiative will become a mass-adopted money-churning killer appāit might not. What matters more to me is what remains if it fails. Are there open-source codes that can be reused by other projects? Blog posts sharing lessons learned? New developers drawn to CKB through it? New friends who can facilitate other CKB projects bootstrapping? Success can be defined in many ways. Weād all be thrilled if a killer app could be created in one single shot, but in reality itās usually the result of accumulated failed attempts. The real challenge is how to ensure past failures arenāt wasted. Accumulate knowledge we must.
Iāve never met or spoken with @T_Silva or @apltang.bit before (happy to), but Iāve occasionally seen their comments on talk/twitter, so I donāt think theyāre scammers or bounty hunters. Iād love to see more business/product-oriented initiatives. Thereās only been one approved community DAO proposal this year (if Iām not mistaken), while weāre all complaining that ecosystem growth is slow. We canāt expect to move fast and take no risks. I support this proposal.
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Hi Jan, I still remember your post from not long after the DAO was formed.
I knew at the time you were clearly telling us that we canāt be scared to take some chances and I donāt think weāve lived up to that yet.
This is such an important part that I think some people might be missing.
Itās not just the proposals that we reject that are affected by such a tight and strict mindset of what is āworthwhileā, but when we are known as being so hard to convince to part with money, then how many other ideas never even make it here because they know they will just be shot down.
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I am not sure if you understood the part of me saying that I am developing, meaning I am coding app this app
Nonetheless, appreciate your feedback. I was wondering, what would you like to see us do that would interest you as ecosystem user?
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Hi @janx , really appreciate your words, I feel the same way, anything created by the community, funded by the dao should be fully open source, no exceptions. This approach ensures others can freely use, modify, enhance, and even push the boundaries of whatās possible. hatās part of what weāre looking forward to do.
Best,
The SiTa Team
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Writing lines of code doesnāt equate to an DApp. You need how to host your files, maintenance, security etc. Not for one or two months but for 1 year, 3 years, 5 years. It is business planning.
Before criticizing that we are asking for $48,000. Ask around how much is server hosting costs. Or buying yourself a server to host. What is the forward operating costs for you? Your DApp magically runs on its own?
Younger members have the idealism that you learn how to write codes and create an application and that will change the world. Thatās great. But we cannot substitute reality with yours.
In the real world you need to plan ahead. What are your goals, what it would take to achieve.
Maybe I am wrong, the Foundation or DAO are not looking for people to plan for future and attract commercial ideas. Maybe the foundation should look to attract more adults to the network?
Thank you again for considering our proposal.
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A meet up with community members are always great! Look forward to it Jan!
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I donāt see anywhere where you have identified
- who will you market toā¦ not high level details who have you engaged with directly who might be early adopters, validating the need
- have you anyone that has used this in beta formā¦ user testing to validate functionality
- have you done any competitor analysisā¦ why would people choose your platform over others
- have you any budget allocated for marketing and promotionā¦ how will you promote your product? What channels? Who will do it etc
Good to see people trying ā¦
The defi angle and ability to tokenise contracts is far more appealing given the recent push on RWA etc
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