[DIS] Infinity Wallet Nervos Integration

CKB Community Fund DAO
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@JackyLHH

Hi Jacky, I just saw your comment on Metaforo:

“Notice: “Automatically close poll: select a date seven days later, e.g., for a Poll launched on the 4th, you should select the 11th as the close date.” So, the ending date of this poll is wrong, but we can ignore this, and check the final results on the end of 14th of October (the correct date).”

Seeing as there’s only been a few votes so far, do you think it would be best to cancel this and restart?

This is going to confuse people if they’re not following things properly.

Some people leave their vote up to the last minute and might only vote if they think it’s required, even though this is obviously not a good idea.

I can just see this causing issues after the vote is passed and people will say “but we thought we had more time”, letting this go is just not a good precedent to set IMO.

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Agree on forcing re-submission, details matter in these processes. OP should have followed the instructions.

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OK, @InfinityWallet Could you please cancel/delete the voting on Metaforo and then re-submit the voting with the correct ending date? Thanks.

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In the instruction it only mentions that the period should be 7 days later, which we interpret as a general guideline and that it can be 7 days or longer. We opted for a slightly longer period to allow more Nervos DAO members to take part for a fairer vote. If that is not desired then we would suggest amending the instruction for future votes to stipulate that it must be exactly 7 days.

We have also already contacted those who liked our proposal on the forum to inform them of the vote, which re-submitting it now would only cause confusion. Is there a problem with letting it run for 14 days?

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“7 days later” doesn’t mean 7 days or more, it means after exactly 7 days.

The paragraph states:

“Automatically close poll”: select a date seven days later, e.g., for a Poll launched on the 4th, you should select the 11th as the close date.

Even in the example provided, it is clear what the meaning is. The poll should be restarted to avoid confusion.

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I think it is in everyone’s best interests that you just restart the poll.

I agree that the words ‘should’ and ‘must’ have very different meanings if you were in a courtroom, but the intention of the rules for the DAO is very clear, it’s a 7 day voting period.

There’s only 800k votes submitted so far by 3 voters. one of which is yourselves and the other a known member of the DAO who will definitely return to vote.

Maybe if everyone agrees, we could include the 600K from the other member to the yes vote if they don’t return to vote in the new poll?

This is also a better outcome for you by restarting the poll now with 7 complete days remaining, rather than @JackyLHH 's original plan to just count the votes after 7 days had passed from the original date.

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Thanks in advance for correcting the poll to the appropriate duration.

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Thanks for the feedback, we only want what is best and fair for the Nervos community and ecosystem, hence why we had thought a 14 day period would allow more Nervos community members voices to be heard for a more fair vote. However as it seems 14 days is not allowed, we have removed the vote and will re-submit with an exactly 7 days duration.

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Good day everyone, we have re-posted the vote with a 7 days duration, and have added a Chinese translated version for Chinese community members. https://dao.ckb.community/thread/46626

We look forward to developing out CKB with the much needed infrastructure required to enable users to finally be able to easily onboard to CKB on desktop, without having to be a technical wizard!

Thanks

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Take a look at the web traffic data of this desktop program, read the comments under this program’s YouTube videos, and you’ll see that this application is hardly used. The promised mobile client development, which was pledged three years ago, still hasn’t been delivered. It’s full of lies. If this proposal is approved, I feel like my heart is bleeding.

I firmly say ‘no’ to this proposal.

https://www.similarweb.com/website/infinitywallet.io/#overview

看一看这个桌面程序的web流量数据，看一看这个程序的youtube下面的留言，你就知道这个应用基本上没人用，3年前就承诺过的移动客户端开发，到现在还没有开发出来，满口谎言。
如果这个投票通过了，我觉得我的心在滴血。

我对这个提案坚决说“不‘。

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appreciate you expressing the strength of your feeling.

Decentralized things are protected by a crowd caring about what happens to them, thank you again

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Hello, website visits (while of little relation to active users of a standalone desktop application) are currently around 73,000 monthly, in comparison with for example nervos.org which is estimated at around 49,000 monthly. Not sure the point you were trying to make here?

Regarding the mobile release, this was previously put on pause to focus on expanding our unique desktop wallet solution. There were never any promises made regarding its release date, so it would be great to know why would you make up such a thing? As a free to use self funded platform, we allocate resources where we believe they will be most effective, and our focus has been on desktop for the last 2 years. In that time however, the mobile wallet has also been fully re-worked to improve the overall user experience and quality of user interface, to deliver a revolutionary platform that is built for mass adoption.

Regardless, any concerns of us not completing the grant would be irrelevant, as we have proposed to fully complete all milestones before receiving any CKB. We would appreciate if you didn’t make up information and FUD, which honestly I am not sure how its allowed in the forum!

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Am I faking it? Is there a need for this?

Take a moment to carefully review your official Twitter posts over the years, the personal Twitter content of your staff, the comments under your YouTube channel, your LinkedIn resume, and the numerous fake accounts you’ve created on this forum. It seems you have a habit of deception. What sets you apart from the early “Emulator” forgery industry on the internet? Creating fake forum accounts every day, don’t assume that everyone is not researching your activities, and don’t assume that everyone is foolish.

Though I’m just a retail investor, I have over a decade of experience in internet marketing, and I don’t turn a blind eye. There’s no Google Analytics tracking code in your website’s source code. So-called 73,000 monthly visits—how many of those are from search engine bots, and how many are from your own bot-generated traffic? It appears you have a habitual tendency to deceive. Why compare yourself to Nervos.org? Do you understand that subdomain traffic is counted separately? Furthermore, Nervos.org is a promotional website, while your website is a functional one.

Looking at it from another perspective, since you love Nervos so much, why not add a CKB exchange channel to Infinity Wallet for free? It’s such a simple thing; why do you need so much money? Do you think you’re driving traffic to Nervos, or is it Nervos driving traffic to you?

Lastly, from a self-interest perspective, what do I gain from spreading FUD about you? Has Nervos benefited me? Which Nervos team member instructed me to say this? I want to emphasize, if I still hold CKB, even if just for a day, I have an obligation to protect Nervos’ assets from being easily lost. Among these DAO budgets at Nervos, there’s a share for “WanBeiGe” (a CKB believer) who can’t even afford a meal. Even if that share is as small as just 1 CKB, I will represent and argue for him, as he doesn’t speak English. We cannot let the budget go to waste!

To muddy the waters and easily take away money from the DAO?

I want to reiterate my point; I strongly disagree with this proposal.

我做假了？有这个必要么？

你自己仔细回顾一下你们官方推特这么多年的推文，你们工作人员的个人推特内容，你youtube频道下面的评论，你的linkedin简历，你在这个论坛上新建的这么多假账号。你们属于习惯性造假。互联网早期的”Emulator“造假行业，和你有什么区别？你每天造假几个论坛账号，不要觉得每个人没有调研你们就轻易下结论，也不要觉得每个人都是傻子，

我虽然只是一个散户，但是有10多年互联网营销经验，眼里不揉沙子。你的网站的源代码里面没有GA的统计代码，所谓的每月73000次，有多少是搜索引擎机器人流量？有多少是你们自己的机器人刷子流量？你们习惯性造假。你还有脸和Nervos.org比，你懂不懂二级域名的流量单独计算？再者说，Nervos.org是一个页面宣传网站，你的网站是功能性网站。

在换一个角度说问题，既然你这么爱Nervos，你免费在Infinity Wallet直接加一个CKB的兑换通道不就行了么？这么简单的事情，为什么要这么多钱？你以为你是给Nervos引流，我怎么反而觉得是Nervos给你引流呢？

最后一点，从利益角度考虑，我FUD你我能得到什么好处？Nervos给我利益了？哪个Nervos人员指使我这么说的? 我要强调一点，如果我还持有CKB，哪怕是一天，我就有义务去保护Nervos的资产不轻易流失。Nervos这些DAO的预算里面，也有吃不上饭的”万倍哥“（一个CKB信仰者）的一份，即使这一份只有1个CKB这么少的一点点，我也要代表不会说英语的”万倍哥“据理力争！绝不能让预算浪费！

要混淆试听，轻易拿走DAO里面的钱？

我在重申一遍我的观点，我坚决不同意此方案。

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Hello @woodbury.bit, this will be our final response.

“the numerous fake accounts you’ve created on this forum”
Baseless accusation

“It seems you have a habit of deception”
Baseless slander

“There’s no Google Analytics tracking code in your website’s source code.”
False - this can be easily checked by any competent person with real internet marketing experience

“how many are from your own bot-generated traffic?”
Baseless accusation - We do not bot traffic nor would it have any benefit for us to do so as the website has zero relation to the application usage!

“It appears you have a habitual tendency to deceive.”
Baseless slander

“while your website is a functional one”
False - This clearly shows you have not even looked into the project at all, it’s a static website where users can learn about and download the application

“why not add a CKB exchange channel to Infinity Wallet for free? It’s such a simple thing; why do you need so much money?”
Not quite sure what you mean regarding exchange channel, however what we propose is not a simple thing (as can be seen in the milestones). We propose to develop out CKB to provide it with its first easy to use wallet on desktop for less tech savvy users, enabling easy onboarding to CKB from many other chains (swap, bridge, fiat on/off ramp and etc…). We are only looking for CKB to help cover the costs of its development/integration, while we will cover other and ongoing costs.

“easily take away money from the DAO”
False - We would have to complete all milestones before receiving any CKB

We are shocked at the overtly hostile behaviour of certain members of the CKB community to our simple proposal to develop out CKB. When a simple “I don’t like your proposal” or “can you explain this?” would have been sufficient. If this baseless slander continues unchecked we will unfortunately be withdrawing our proposal @JackyLHH

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Thank you very much for being able to withdraw the proposal. There are still plenty of funds in the DAOs of other public chains, and I hope you can actively pursue them! I’m also concerned about what would happen if the Nervos Fund DAO sponsors your unaudited wallet, and if CKB is lost in your wallet, who would be responsible for compensation, Nervos or your team? If Nervos financially endorses your wallet, Nervos would also bear the reputational risk. Finally, I wish you good luck!

非常感谢你们可以撤回方案，其他公链的DAO资金还有很多，希望你们可以积极争取！我还担心要是Nervos Fund DAO赞助了你们的未审计钱包的话，如果CKB在你们钱包丢了，到底是Nervos负责赔偿还是你们负责赔偿呢？ 如果Nervos花钱给你们钱包背书，Nervos也会承担名誉损失！ 最后，祝你们好运！

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Thank you very much for being able to withdraw the proposal.

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The DAO can be a brutal place :laughing: especially for outsiders that ‘seem’ like they are coming out of no where just to grab a piece of the pie. Not saying that’s what you were doing, but it’s always going to be a hard sell to get a proposal like this through.

But don’t take it too personally, you can just look at some past proposals, (one is active now) from people that have all been in and around CKB for years and they are all questioned very strongly, so that’s just the way this works.

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it looks like the Infinity team deleted the Metaforo poll. At last glance it was 70% No. Appreciate everyone’s time engaging on this. Locking this topic now.

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