This thread had some good discussion in the beginning, but gradually lost focus. Continuing it would likely only bring more emotion without leading to any meaningful conclusions, so we’re temporarily closing it.
We’ve since organized and summarized the key points, and will open a new thread for a more focused discussion.
这个帖子在开始阶段有一些不错的讨论，但后来逐步失去了焦点，继续下去除了更多的情绪，我们无法得出任何有意义的结论，所以我们暂时关掉这个这个 threads.
之后我们梳理和总结了核心观点，我们新开贴更聚焦的讨论。