Governance Efficiency in the Dao-- Pathways to Nervos Becoming a Dao SuperPower

One might ask what is the fundamental purpose of the Dao– it is the allocation of resources or better said the dellegation of work. Why is this a challenge?

I think we can agree that on the most basic level members interests overlap ie. We all want Nervos to be successful or we wish to be efficient and fruitful with our decisions etc etc… Then where does the challenge exist?

We operate as a collective over our shared personall interests. To re-iterate the challenge is often not as much what we do, but how we do it, or for that matter who is in charge of the execution? what of all personel are to be paid? etc etc..

This is where personal interest begins to blend with the collective and by nature we are individuals that carry our own interests and it is right we do so, it is inherent in our human nature and our own individual well being, family lives, its longevity etc etc.. In my opinion to ignore this point is innacurate and would come across as inauthentic.. And I would argue to not be truthful about this is a tell– of ones own personal intentions. Therefore it is incorrect to believe we would act otherwise and therin lies our contradiction as human beings acting as a collective. Why is this crucial?

well the crux of the issue probably looks something like this. There tends to exist seperate groups within a Dao, a tribalism tends to form sort of speak. All somewhat driven by their own personal volitions– as by human nature we must do this, but In the Dao we allso act in the interest of the collective

As an example in a more simplistic scenario with 2 seperate main groups. When the groups merge against each other on a common topic over who will be inacting the will of the Dao there are 3 main results, considering only one Dao

  1. Group A yields to the will of group B

  2. Group B yields to the will of group A

  3. Neither yield

In results 1 and 2 we are 100% decision making efficiency the Dao is acting as one body and one will

In result 3 we are 0% decision making efficient and the Dao stalls

Its easy for us all to agree that a body acting in 100% decision making efficiency all the time is best for the collective but in this scenario it requires the yielding of either group A or B which essentially goes against the personal interests of either group A or B by not allowing their will to be inacted in the Dao which can lead to the stagnation often experienced by Dao’s and is also the inherent contradiction that I’m raising to everyone now.

So one may ask what is the solution? how do we go about combating this inherent issue so deeply woven into our human nature and by doing so turning Nervos Dao into a somewhat inhuman superpower of the likes maybe not seen in Linux or BTC Dao’s. To achieve this, in this example, its crucial we attempt to disolve group A into group B or vise versa. Or more generally the disolution of subgroups. Here is a simplistic image to acompany this example

Now to directly relate this to Nervos. I would like to open the minds of the community and propose that it’s within our best interest as a collective to be open and attempt to disolve sub-groups as much as feassibly possible.

This can mean many things but as an example the first thing that comes to mind is the idea of the english Nervos community and the chinese Nervos community. We have seperate telegram groups, even upon writing this the category had to be chinese or english.. etc etc.. Now i understand there is language barriers but we are a very capable community and language tooling isnt far out of reach.

By proceding in ways in kind to this’; the seperate groups would be in more direct conversation by blending the members of both communities and by extension hopefully the members in projects together. This would incourage bilateral approvals in proposals. And lead to a more unified will of the Dao that exists in opposition to tribalism and by doing so approach higher Dao decision efficiency

Assuming our entire community was in more direct conversation with each other before proposals even entered talks conversations could look something like this, and forgive me for using prolific community members, haha

“[Inside Nervos Telegram International]”

Tovarischch: Hey Matt and others we intend on proposing a new Dao v1.1 this is what we have in mind and our reasons are xyz– What’s your opinion? Would you like to contribute in any way? Do you have or know any players that can play a key role, do you have any general suggestions. are you willing to calloborate with us etc etc..

Matt: yes i surely have some thoughts and ideas as well as some people i think could be a good fit..

What happens by doing this the proposal itself ends up being undertakin by Community A and Community B as a whole there-by disolving group A and B and mitigating tribalism

Now keep in mind this is just an example but it sets forth a precedense on inclusion and thereby combating our human nature as to who gets to innact the will of the Dao, who gets to delegate work, what players are on the payroll etc etc.. by blending the players involved in the projects

I think from a long term point of view this idealism of: One Nervos, One Dao, One Community type methodology and approach being implemented, Will best serve the collective of Nervos Dao members… and therefore contribute to a more unified will of the community leading to a vastly more efficient Dao. I do understand the idea of collaboration may seem daunting for various reasons but for longevity I believe this will create a supeior well oiled machine

Thanks everyone for taking the time to read!

For the utmost best of Nervos,

NightLantern

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Totally agree. It’s a pity this forum still uses English/Chinese as two major categories in this amazing era of AI translation. cc @matt_ckb @poshboytl

I agree. To me, Nervos Talk is a formal public discussion space for our community—like a modern Bouleuterion—but it needs some casual chat channels to balance it out. Unfortunately, the current Nervos telegram group and discord don’t serve that purpose well.

I’m not against groups in general—only those based on fixed identities. Forming small groups with friends who share common interests is natural and perfectly fine, but forming them around fixed identities (like being English or Chinese) is harmful. The former are flexible and dynamic - I can be in the same group with anyone; the latter are rigid and divisive - I can never be in the same group as someone. So while I agree that identity-based groups should be dissolved, I believe interest-based ones should remain.

Interest-based groups also face decision-making challenges. I see two possibilities:

  1. Groups can take turns making decisions, which probably requires some form of delegation mechanism I guess.
  2. Alternatively, groups can split off and form their own DAOs. In that case, we may see multiple DAOs coexist, each with distinct preferences and unique areas of focus.

Neither 1 nor 2 can achieve maximum efficiency, but I doubt efficiency is the sole goal of a decentralized, non-contractual community. The good news is that 1 and/or 2 can both avoid stagnation. In this way we trade some efficiency for diversity and creativity—which ultimately fosters resilience and adaptability.

Another challenge I see is ensuring delivery after a decision is made, how to ensure that what’s proposed is actually delivered as promised. Sometimes I’m amazed that the CKB Community DAO v1.0 works at all, given there are no traditional binding contracts involved.

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Yes I couldn’t agree more– thank you for further defining and elaborating on this. Sometimes i find language to be a bit clumsy so to speak and difficult to articulate thoughts accurately.

Agreed! At the least a good testament to the quality of people we have had in charge of delivering as promised. As i see it the people of CKB are unique in thier talent, vision and honesty. Indeed a rare commodity in the crypto space

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I like the formalization of this problem space. It does help to see more clearly what we are up against. The analysis seems sound and I do agree with unifying communication to the best of our abilities. There is a project to build translation into Talk as Jan mentioned. It’s in testing now, hopefully it’s not too far off.

I feel like the subject you are touching on here has come up in Nation before and I have shared some views before. Succinctly:

People won’t agree

While there is so much that can be done to progress amidst this reality, in my opinion this consideration is as important to appreciate as the game theory you’ve laid out here.

Why though

I’ve come to understand that disagreements are driven by operating with a different set of “facts” (which are some combination of past experience, judgement, projections, and shared observations which approximate objective truth). Because experiences and judgement and definitely projections can vary so much between individuals, there is no way to reach agreement on subjects which are predicated on agreeing foundationally (just look at the CKBears chat)

Often the disagreement can be boiled down to a question with a binary answer. Once you’ve found the question that can be answered yes/no and also can explain the reason why 2 camps have formed, you’ve asked the right question and can assess the situation that the fundamental disagreement has spawned (and start to work through it to find something that can acheive consensus across the 2 camps).

It’s good to ground things in the fact that we all have a common interest in CKB. This is the magic of a single chain. It worked for Bitcoin (forks are another conversation), it can work for CKB.

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