Discontinuation of the DAO v1.1 project

经对当前状况的深入评估,特别是社区期望与提案团队目标之间存在显著分歧,提案团队决定停止 DAO v1.1 平台的开发。同时,所有已获得的资金将如数返还至 CKB Community Fund DAO。

本公告正式发布后,将启动以下事项:

  1. 将全部现有源代码作为开源资源提供给社区。虽然目前GitHub组织仍由提案团队控制,但如果社区成员有意接管项目的管理职责,他们将协调后续的代码库维护与可能的移交事宜。
  2. 关闭 DAO v1.1 平台所使用的域名;
  3. 终止服务器的托管及相关平台服务;
  4. 提案团队停止对代码的维护;
  5. 将第一里程碑所得资金返还给 CKB Community Fund DAO;
  6. 解散项目的物业团队。

提案团队衷心感谢始终支持本项目的社区成员,以及那些为项目演进提供建设性批评的各位。同时,我们亦对物业团队及自发组成的社区测试小组所付出的辛勤努力表示由衷的敬意。

随着代码现已向公众开放,社区将有能力基于自己的愿景,开发并迭代出更加优化的 DAO 治理平台。

谨致谢意

DAO v1.1 提案团队


Following an in-depth review of the current situation, specifically the significant divergence between community expectations and the proposal team’s objectives, the team has elected to cease development of the DAO v1.1 platform. Furthermore, all acquired funding will be reimbursed to the CKB Community Fund DAO.

Upon this official notification, the following actions will be initiated:

  1. Provision of all existing source code to the community as an open-source resource. While the GitHub organization remains under the proposal team’s control, they will coordinate comprehensive arrangements should community members express interest in assuming stewardship of the project.
  2. Deactivation of the DAO v1.1 platform’s domain name.
  3. Termination of server hosting and associated services for the platform.
  4. Cessation of code maintenance by the proposal team.
  5. Return of Milestone 1 funds to the CKB Foundation.
  6. Dissolution of the project’s steward team.

The proposal team extends its heartfelt gratitude to the community members who championed this project and those who offered constructive criticism necessary for its evolution. We also wish to recognize the dedicated efforts of the steward team and the independent community testing group.

With the code now accessible to the public, the community is empowered to develop and iterate upon their own visions for an optimized DAO governance platform.

With appreciation,

The DAO v1.1 Proposal Team

And there we go.

Thanks Phroi and most importantly well done everyone who stood by watching this team get undermined and destroyed in front of our eyes.

为了准确表达我的意思,我使用中文进行回复。


很遗憾事情发展到这一地步,虽然在几天前我已经对这个结果有心理预期了。

我似乎一直处于这场风暴的中心,但是说实话我也不明白为什么会发展到这个结局。


整个过程中出现了很多问题:沟通上的;流程上的;对元规则的理解上的;当然还有技术上的。

我不太擅长前面三个领域,所以我一直在规避相关的讨论,并试图将问题拉回技术领域。

现在回顾的话,我的做法说不上是好的做法。

因为所有的相关讨论对社区来说其实都是有意义的。

在此感谢所有参与讨论的人。


关于沟通方面,我是维特根斯坦的信徒,我不认为人与人之间有真正的沟通。大家其实都只是在猜测对方表达的意思,只是某些时候双方的猜测恰好是一致的。

如果整个事情过程中,我在沟通方面伤害到了对方,在此表达我的歉意。


最后,团队做出这样的结论,并不是赌气,或者单纯的失望。

而是综合社区的现状得出的。我在这方面确实有点“只缘身在此山中”,没有baiyu看得更全面。

社区似乎还没有想好到底需要一个什么样的dao治理工具。

dao 2.0的步子太大了,而dao 1.1的步子又似乎太小了。


个人角度,我其实跟 president_tin 的感受非常类似。

ckb在技术上有非常鲜明的特点和优势。

举一个具体的例子,我每次看到 ckb 浏览器上UDT资产上的 RGB++ Support标签就想笑。这个标签事实上是免费的,ckb上的任何资产不用做什么特别的事情,就可以支持RGB++协议。

这是由CKB正交分解 type script 和 lock script决定的。

希望未来CKB能够扬长避短,充分发挥其技术优势。

现在我需要离开一段时间了,期待未来顶峰相见!

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个人的感受差不多一致,成立了基金会及各位委员会,掌握着资源,却以所谓“去中心化”的形式运作,一方面享受着影响力有意推动一些事情,另一方面在决策、制定规则这方面争议的领域又爱惜自己的羽毛。所有人都希望Nervos发展越来越好,但关于方法和路径都有不同的看法,在无序和混乱中无法诞生信任和成功。原以为DAO1.1能做出一些改变,没想到居然是这样的结尾,非常失望。

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When you say the DAO 2.0 was too large a step what do you mean by that statement?

The DAO 2.0 was never part of the community DAO.

It was a different version and separate to the current DAO and it would run along side of it as a different version in my understanding? A western designed version that people could jump on board too, to see how it could run parallel within the community?

It’s supposed to be an alternative for the community to use. CKB should have more than one DAO, and it will be separately funded (Or so I was told by Jan, Whether this has been changed is another story, but would be news to me), and built not only as a contender, but for decentralisation purposes.

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我个人是宣布前就得知这个结果,但真正看到其发出后依然会感觉到非常遗憾。

感谢提案团队发布公告,以及将全部产出开源。

这帖,我仅以委员会成员的身份补充几点:

  • 关于已经支付的之前 Milestone 的资金。 是在 DAO 现有流程下完成交付、经过评审并验收通过的。从原则上讲,已经验收并已经支付的工作,不应在项目后续终止时被要求退款。尤其是在团队将全部产出开源的前提下,这部分工作的价值会在平台本身之外继续惠及社区。我个人不认为这里需要退款,希望团队能撤回这个退款的诉求。

  • 关于其他交接事项。 委员会和过度物业团队将与提案团队对接代码仓库、域名、等交接工作,等有结论了会另外做说明。

  • 过渡期安排。 DAO 目前沿用的过渡期规则继续有效。

下一步。 关于 DAO 治理未来和总结,之后会专门发帖开启讨论。这个话题值得单独讨论。我个人其实也有很多话想说,但希望它能建立在理性和完整回顾的基础上,感觉不宜马上进行。

感谢提案团队这段时间的投入与付出。

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Edit: I’m editing/removing this post of mine due to it being disrespectful to certain people while written with a bit of anger and disappointment with the situation.

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as a powerful and influential person who worked in the interest of compromise and ended up causing more harm than good in this process, I understand your sentiments but respectfully disagree with your conclusion.

The frustration is merited though, there was a great deal of time spent here. We gain the lessons learned in how each of us could do better in this paradigm, a LOT of brainstroming about the design space for voting and an open source code base that in the end, mostly accounted for critical questions raised.

I do however believe this was always destined to be a learning experience, rather than a concrete step forward. Unfortunately.

But fear not, we will grow from this.

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Hey Matt, I’m not going to back down from my overall view here, but yeah, I’ll go back on that statement about standing by and doing nothing, there’s probably way too much emotion there.

But whether you guys want this job or not, you, Jan and Terry are the people here that had the ability to meditate a solution to this situation and it didn’t happen, so I’ll stand by the failure part.

But I’ve ‘known’ you for a fair while now and I know of all people you have nothing but the best intentions for CKB, so I definitely don’t think you weren’t trying.

Yep, we’ll go on!

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In consideration of Terry’s advice, the following updates are provided regarding the closure of DAO v1.1:

  1. Payment: The proposal team will retain the payment corresponding to the already‑delivered Milestone 1.

  2. Code: The code will remain open source and is accessible at this repository. A total of eight repositories encompass all code for the DAO v1.1 platform (excluding Web5 services, which are available here). Additionally, the community may access the open‑source vote auditor tool here.

  3. Contract: The voting contract deployed on the mainnet has been terminated, whereas the testnet voting contract continues to operate. The did:ckb contracts remain active on both the mainnet and the testnet.

  4. Server: Servers supporting the current DAO v1.1 platform will be decommissioned shortly. Following this action, services for both the mainnet and the testnet will be terminated.

  5. Domain name: Domain resolution for ccfdao.dev and ccfdao.org will be terminated in the near future. Consequently, the documentation website at https://docs.ccfdao.org/ will also be shut down. However, relevant documentation can be found within the source code repository accessible here.

This marks the official conclusion of the DAO v1.1 project. The proposal team wishes to once again express its gratitude to all those who provided constructive feedback and support. May the community identify a suitable governance model at a future date. Thank you :slight_smile:

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