[DIS] Nexus Platform 提案

单纯有个疑问,从立项开始写,到今天github的进度,用了多久?有多少代码是AI生成的?既然已经可以运行了,建议就直接部署到测试环境,让大家体验一下,可能更能感受到工作量。

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I think the idea is good and worthwhile as a proof of concept, so I’ve got no issue with you being reasonably rewarded for your work.

But I just can’t see the value in spending that amount of money for a mainnet release, when realistically no one is going to use it. (yet)

Where are you going to get these interesting videos from that people are actually going to watch and pay for?

Where are all the ‘watchers’ coming from to make it work?

This seems like it is a project that would require many millions of dollars of backing to get off the ground just from a marketing perspective, it’s just too mainstream.

I think a rough working demo on testnet would achieve the results your talking about below, without all of the expense of the mainnet requirements, which at this point in time are a waste of money imo.

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我不认为这是一个PPT提案,申请人显然已经投入了真实开发工作量,这一点应当被认可。

同时,我也觉得如果能把提案中的所有应用产品都实现了,做精了且能运营起来的话,CKB的生态一下会大很多。能把多个CKB生态业务串链起来,并且跑起来的运营项目,我个人觉得,4万美元并不多。

我的疑虑来自于:范围过大,运营成功难度高。这个提案的项目范围过大了,不聚焦,如果产品设计、开发和运营、维护能力不匹配,后面就可能出现摩天大楼建设/招商/运营/维护等的烂尾工程。

建议是:
1.能不能先明确一个目标点,把预算拆小,把1-2模块做精,做细,运营起来,看一下实际效果好不好?按照其中1-2个模块先申请预算呢?如果效果好,再去一个模块一个模块开发,项目分期。

2.(其他小伙伴谈到了一个思路,我列一下)生态是不是也应该模块化发展,支付层和应用层等层级分开,例如等fiber的SDK都做好以后,上面再搭应用。而不是应用在支付的SDK开发好前,自己做集成性过高的项目?

PS:很多传统项目都会分期进行。实验网成功以后,再推进大项目。

最后,对能独立研究CKB这么久,并用自己实际行动参与到生态实施的申请人,我在此表示由衷的敬意。

(横向对标:各位评审人自己思考一下,这个项目如果运营成功,生态位置和预算价格,对比DAO 1.1以及Rosen Bridge这两个项目怎么样?)

我的想法不一定对,仅供参考。

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Guys, thank you all—regardless of your stance—for being willing to support CKB, for raising your questions, and for participating in the discussion. The ultimate goal of my dialogue with you is not to get you to validate the specific funding amount proposed in this initiative as “reasonable.” We are currently in the initial discussion phase—specifically, the stage where we aim to gather 30 “likes” to formally kick off the conversation. If you believe this is a project worthy of discussion, please lend your support by giving it a like. What you are endorsing is not the specific dollar figure, but rather the underlying idea itself. As for the specifics regarding the funding amount—as I have consistently emphasized—the project code has already been open-sourced on GitHub. You are free to engage with it in whatever way you prefer: (1) Deploy a local instance to test it out for your own personal use; (2) Fork the repository and improve upon it according to your own vision; (3) Draw inspiration from it to build an entirely different project of your own; and so on. Once we move on to the dedicated section for discussing funding details, we can then have a focused conversation about what constitutes a reasonable budget, whether the project should proceed, and how we can execute it even better. What do you all think?

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Yeah, I completely agree with the first part here, it’s so good to see community members stepping up and building something themselves, this needs to be highly encouraged

But Nexus is an app, not like the other infrastructure projects you mentioned so without an explanation of where the usage will come from and who the customers are going to be, it will just be another abandoned project that no one uses.

The idea and concept is good though and should be taken further, but I just don’t see how a generic video streaming service can get off the ground.

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The core of the issue is whether you believe in data autonomy and whether the scenario of data-driven payments is necessary, as AI greatly enhances personal productivity in terms of images and text.

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@Yeti I don’t know if this reply answers your question.

Mate, my main issue isn’t with the Nexus concept, I like the idea and would love to see you be able to take it further.

But I think we have all learnt over the last 5 years or so is that a ‘build it and they will come’ strategy just doesn’t work and we can’t just keep building things to prove to each other what CKB can do.

So my personal criteria to support apps going forward is that they need to have a clear plan as to how they will generate real and substantial usage from both within and outside the existing CKB community.

But I was thinking about this today and how you would be able to do this with Nexus.

I think an option would be to try and get some very niche streaming sites to commit to at least trialing the technology for their communities. (At no cost to them for the implementation)

I’m talking really small and obscure communities that struggle to monetize their sites with subscriptions. You would have a chance to do business with these sites because they need you as much as you need them.

But I’m not sure how you do the onboarding though, I’m not even sure exactly how Fiber works at this point, but I think Joyid is the secret sauce here and might actually make it possible if there was also a way to onramp/offramp with credit card to USDI.

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,of course,it must have

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Guys, I want to reiterate my hope that everyone will help this unique real-world application idea on CKB pass the voting stage by liking it. We can consider the monetary aspect later. Specific Implementation: With the development of AI, personal creation will become more convenient and diverse. The resulting demand for content ownership verification and copyright revenue sharing will also become increasingly strong. For users, the ability to enjoy content freely without being burdened by unnecessary and cumbersome memberships, and to include advertising revenue in viewing fees, will be an increasingly strong demand. This application will: 1. Demonstrate what CKB, Fiber, Spore, and RGB++ can do; 2. Seize the integrated content distribution market and the AI ​​settlement layer market. How to Act: We always need to know that a clear business model is the starting point and the first step in fundraising. Based on the above needs, our goal is not to defeat platforms like Tencent, Youku, and YouTube, but to supplement them, allowing users to create content, distribute it to these platforms with one click, and complete ownership verification and subsequent copyright revenue sharing within Neuxs.

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最后一天 :scream:

在 CKB 上做应用会遇到很多阻碍,不是一件容易的事,最大的问题就是几乎没人相信基于 CKB 做的应用能真正被推到市场当中,东西做出来很容易,毕竟现在有 AI 加持,但做出来后如何推,确实是一个问题,并不是说产品做得不好,而是仅凭一个人确实很难做到,即使你发挥出 200% 的精力去推,也不一定推得出来,所以这里的很多人更愿意提与 “基础设施” 有关的提案,本质上在我看来是以完善基础建设为借口来逃避 “真正面对市场” 这一没人愿意面对的、吃力不讨好的挑战。

我不是否认你已经做出的付出,我甚至觉得整个生态应该给愿意做应用的人一次机会,即使最开始大家都知道成功的机会很渺茫,但我仍然觉得这是应该付出的转型代价,如果一个生态仅聚焦在基础设施的建设上而不去构建最能被市场和用户感知的应用上,那这个生态就是在慢性死亡。

我希望你能继续坚持这个项目做下去,哪怕就在测试网上运行,也能给生态带来一些不一样的东西,给自己一个交代,但就看你有没有这样舍己为人的觉悟了。

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啊,这,我没有这样的觉悟,谢谢,咋还道德绑架了起来:joy:,代码构建在github上,AI的确很厉害,你可以按照你的版本继续,我会按照我自己的兴趣做自己喜欢的事情,ckb不需要我干啥,说实话,你觉得我说了啥,做了啥,ckb能咋样呢?,正如那些提案一样,做完了,ckb又能咋样呢,还是这样垃圾,因为决定因素不是我们,是那些资本,资本决定了ckb会不会被用起来,理想很丰满 现实很骨感,留点ckb和大家一起坚持梦想,只不过我会去看看其他社区了,希望大家都好

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Bro, your first proposal didn’t pass and your just going to pack your bags and go home?

This proves my point exactly about apps being developed with no plans to generate usage and then the dev team being in absolute disbelief that it hasn’t reached mass adoption after 3 weeks and just walking away.

You’re quitting after your proposal didn’t pass and we were meant to expect you to battle like your life depended on it to make your app a success even when no one was using it initially?

Go back to the drawing board and come up with a better (maybe simpler) idea, I’m sure the community will support it if we can see a small chance of success.

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说实话确实有些可惜了,看提案和项目愿景,即使是用 AI 做了,能做成那样也多多少少还是需要付出一些努力的,至少还是倾注了自己的全部想法进去的

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Even if this proposal didn’t pass, I still think the work behind it deserves respect. Building something real is never meaningless, even when the timing or the formula isn’t right yet.

I understand the frustration, and I understand wanting to explore other communities. But I wouldn’t be surprised if one day you ended up coming back here…

Time has a funny way of changing perspectives.

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