关于DAO的三点改进提议

建议如下:

  1. 所有项目申报方必须为执行方主体,不接受一切形式的代理(包括官方授权代理)。
    目的:基本的投标第一步,就是资质问题。保证工程实施的责任主体可控。

  2. DAO申报资金形式为美元,具体发放形式为资金释放时点对应价格的CKB。
    目的:我们都是看多CKB的,我们的期望是CKB价格越来越高。目前的DAO提案申请现状是,一次性申请发放所有申请时点资金额度对应的CKB,这样不符合DAO的利益最大化。改为资金释放时点对应价格的CKB,项目在第二阶段或者第三阶段资金的CKB数量可能下降(当然也可能上升),保障DAO利益最大化。

  3. DAO申请项目一次性执行需求不应超过一定数量,而不是初期一次性全部审批通过;同时对超过一定额度(例如5万美元或者10万美元)的项目申请,增加审批难度。
    目的: 做好小事再说做大事,DAO项目的质量管控本就没有,即使项目执行完成后也没有人对审批资金负责。初期一次性审批过多需求,后续管控是问题。即使目前的分阶段付款,也没有人对前阶段完成质量进行核查,既然缺乏步骤执行检查,那就通过多次审批进行。同时对超过一定额度(例如5万美元或者10万美元)的项目申请,投票时增加难度,例如通过比例由赞成票占比51%增加到70%或者更高。

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Hi Woodbury,

(1) I’m not sure I agree with you on this one. I can see some potencial in a system where community members could seek out projects that they think would benifit CKB and put in the work to bring those projects to CKB acting as sort of a middleman. In this case, I don’t see a problem with that community member or community group submitting the proposal on behalf of the project, I actually think this is the best way as it makes it clear that there may be some sort of link between the groups and nothing is hidden.

(I also just want to say that I have absolutley zero knowledge or involvement with the Palmyra proposal, so this is just my opinion as a member of the DAO)

(2) 100% agree with you here. This issue needs to be discussed more and something put in place quickly imo.

(3) I’m not sure I understand this clearly, are you saying that vote should take place before every installement?

  1. All project applicants must be the executors, and no agent of any kind (including officially authorized agents) is accepted.

Have to disagree on this one. Multiple teams need to be able to collaborate and work together freely without restriction. I don’t see a strong benefit to adding this restriction. Perhaps guidelines for suggested disclosure and notification could be set for edge cases, such as the executor changing hands in the middle of a grant.

  1. The form of DAO’s application funds is US dollars, and the specific form of distribution is CKB at the price corresponding to the time of fund release.

Agree the denomination should be US dollars, and the calculation should occur at a specific time. However, the exact time is debatable. I could see using the time of proposal/milestone approval or the time of payment execution. However, there needs to be a second clause to guarantee that events occur within a specific window of time after the submission.

  1. The one-time execution requirements of DAO application projects should not exceed a certain amount, rather than all being approved at once in the initial stage; at the same time, the approval difficulty will be increased for project applications exceeding a certain amount (such as US$50,000 or US$100,000).

I understand the intent of raising the approval threshold for higher-value grants, but I don’t necessarily believe that low-value grants should receive any less scrutiny.

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DAO资金是公共所有的资金,一般这种资金被盗用的现象非常常见,不属于个人的钱嘛,监管自然不强。在大公司内,内部人总是想利用制度漏洞去侵蚀这部分资金。

首先,如果一个施工项目方都不想自己来申请资金,还得委托中间人,可想而知,施工项目方对这个项目也不是很重视。一个希望得到DAO资金的主体,一定会自己写材料申请资金,而不是找内部熟人。

再者,钱转给了中间人帐户,执行由施工项目方执行,大量的案例都是中间人克扣施工项目方资金,各种三方的扯皮官司多如牛毛,更有甚者直接卷款跑路(例如房屋中介卷款租房人资金跑路,留下房东和租客的官司还少么?)。如果引入第三方的阴阳合同就数不胜数,谁去监管?

一个孩子申请学校,非要找个写推荐信的人去申请,而不是自己申请,这本身就是有问题的。新婚入洞房非得找个人来帮忙?特权代理商不大部分都是白手套么?

一个招投标的基本流程,一个基础制度的底层逻辑,这么难懂么?

综上所述,个人意见必须工程申报的项目方作为执行方主体,而且合同款一定要给项目方帐户。

这个之前有发起过类似的元规则修改提案《如果价格波动超过 10%,付款时需重新计算 CKB 数量》,但最后投票没有通过。在投票页面的评论区,Terry 给了一个很重要的观点:

之前的设计,执行委员会角色很像未来 DAO 上链后 智能合约的“人工模拟”虚拟机执行,也就是说我们几个的责任就是如实执行提案(合约)的内容即可。 而这个改变,修改了这个简单假设,犹如在执行时引入了条件判断和外部信息,相当于如果未来这个 DAO 放在链上就必须引入 Oracle 了。是个很大的改动,要谨慎。如果目标是希望走向链上的 DAO, 那么申请以币本位是自然的,反而法币数量是附属的,为了读者理解方便。

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如果这样的话,项目分阶段审批就很重要了。而项目分阶段的申报权在施工方,这个是有问题的。例如项目招标中,已经对标段进行了明确定义。但是在DAO项目申报中,这个权力来自于申报方,每个申报方都尽量扩大预算范围,例如之前我认为不错的西班牙语推广计划,他们不愿意做一些简单的事,拿少一点预算,去体现自己的能力,希望要更大的预算包。

如果项目一次性申报一个很大的开发包,而DAO审批又通过了(如果这个审批决策是错的呢?),审批过了就可以吃补贴了,反正也没有人对项目进行决算、初验、终验负责。William至少很正直,生病了还知道退款,对不对?

像Spore或者ckbdapps.com那样一个阶段一个阶段申报的良心项目,是我们都期望的,但是如果不是这样的申报方呢?目前看起来,除了项目方的铁杆支持者,没人想走一步一步的申报路径。

一旦通过第一阶段投票,后续的管控能力太差,而且通过投票后的项目的后评估工作也很难进行,毕竟大家的钱又不是自己兜里面的钱。

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Lack of accountability and careless approvers who take an “it’s not my money so I don’t care” approach exist, just as you say they do. I always encourage everyone to treat the DAO funds as their own, because they do belong to us. As CKB investors, these are our funds and how they are used can greatly influence the performance of our investment.

In the past, I’ve worked with large corporations and Fortune 500 companies. I’ve been an employee, and I’ve also worked on the other side as a sub-contractor. Everything you are describing exists, but it is not the only possibility, and to suggest so is an oversimplification of business processes.

It is not uncommon for agencies to form and use sub-contract developers. Yes, they take a cut. However, they are taking a cut for providing a service. They develop a network of contractor relationships that they have vetted and then manage projects to ensure success even if some of the developers do not perform or choose to leave. Developers may also prefer this relationship because they can focus on their work without dealing with business process.

I understand that you would prefer, in the most pure sense, that the developer apply themselves and elimate any other party. I also think this is the best scenario, when they are fully capable on their own. However, I have watched this exact scenario have very poor results far more times than I have seen it succeed. Usually the project fails because the developers were good at writing code, but not at marketing or business development.

When evaluating a DAO proposal, we should be looking at the qualifications of the team, the value provided by their ask, and the accountability that is built into the proposal. It is far outside of the scope of the DAO to restrict how teams should be structured or operate.