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Meeting Minutes 会议纪要: DAO V1.1 Proposal Community AMA 1

:spiral_calendar: Time:

Sep 24 (Wed) · 18:00–20:00 (PDT)
Sep 25 (Thu) · 09:00–11:00 (UTC+8)

:spiral_calendar: 时间：

9月25日（周四）09:00–11:00 (UTC+8)
9月24日（周三）18:00–20:00 (PDT)

Introduction 引言

We successfully hosted the first Community AMA for the DAO v1.1 Proposal as part of our one-month Community Review Month. This session was designed as an internal deep dive to discuss the core details of the proposal with our engaged community members.

We had nearly 20 participants join the call, and we were honored to have Matt and Jordan as special guests. Their presence and insightful questions greatly enriched the discussion. The AMA followed a section-by-section format, where the proposal team introduced each key component and then opened the floor for questions, ensuring a focused and in-depth conversation.

This document provides an anonymized summary of the key discussions and outcomes from the session.

我们成功举办了 DAO v1.1 提案社区审议月的第一场 AMA。本次会议定位为一次内部的“深度研讨会”，旨在与我们深度参与的社区成员共同探讨提案的核心细节。

我们有近20位参与者加入了会议，并非常荣幸地邀请到了 Matt 和 Jordan 作为特邀嘉宾。他们的出席和富有洞察力的问题，极大地丰富了我们的讨论。本次 AMA 采用了分章节介绍和问答的形式，由提案团队逐一介绍提案的关键组成部分，然后开放提问，以确保对话的焦点和深度。

本文档为本次会议关键讨论和成果的匿名化总结。

Part 1: DAO Stewards 物业团队

Proposal Content Overview

  • DAO v1.1 proposes establishing DAO Stewards to address operational stagnation in DAO v1.0.

  • Stewards are a service team, not managers. They will hold no voting or decision-making power. Their role is to support governance processes so that community members can focus on actual decision-making.

  • Once the proposal is approved and funded, Stewards will operate as a completely independent entity, accountable only to the DAO, with no ongoing ties to Eco Fund (Eco Fund’s role is limited to early support).

  • The first Steward team will be publicly recruited from the CKB community. Members can self-nominate or be recommended. The first term will last 1 year, after which the team will transition to a community election.

Community Suggestions

  • Speaker A: Felt the role definition is clear, with no concerns.

  • Speaker B: Agreed, and emphasized that independence from Eco Fund is a positive factor for ensuring neutrality.

Summary
The community responded positively. DAO Stewards were recognized as a neutral, service-oriented team with no decision-making authority. The independence from Eco Fund and the plan for public recruitment and future elections were well received. No obvious opinions were raised in this session.

提案内容介绍

  • DAO v1.1 提案设立 DAO物业（Stewards），以解决 DAO v1.0 在执行层面缺乏专业支持团队的问题。

  • 物业是服务团队，而非管理者，不拥有任何投票或决策权，其职责是保障治理流程顺畅，帮助社区成员专注于决策。

  • 一旦提案获得批准和资助，物业团队将作为完全独立的实体运行，仅对 DAO 负责，与 Eco Fund 不再有从属关系（Eco Fund 仅在早期提供支持和孵化）。

  • 第一届物业团队将面向社区公开招募，允许自荐或推荐他人。首任期为 一年，之后转入社区化选举。

大家建议

  • 发言人A：认为物业角色的定义很清晰，没有问题。

  • 发言人B：同意，并强调 Eco Fund 不再管理物业团队是积极的一点，有助于保证独立性。

小结
社区整体反响积极。大家普遍认可 DAO物业作为中立、服务导向的团队，其独立性和未来的选举机制也获得支持。本环节未出现明显意见，显示社区在这一方向上已有较高共识。

Part 2: Treasury Management 金库管理

Proposal Content Overview

  • DAO v1.1 introduces a two-level treasury system to balance security and efficiency.

    1. Main Treasury: unchanged, holds the DAO’s overall funds.
    2. Project Execution Wallet: created for each funded project, managed by 2 DAO Stewards + 1 Community Observer (2/3 multisig).

  • To address CKB price volatility, three funding options are provided:

    1. Fixed CKB amount.
    2. Fixed USDI amount.
    3. Fixed USD value (paid in CKB; DAO tops up if price drops).

Community Suggestions

  • Speaker A: Questioned how teams receiving USDI could practically convert it into other assets.

  • Speaker B: Added that converting treasury CKB into USDI may currently require trusted individuals, since existing tools don’t support multi-sig swap.

  • Speaker A (follow-up): Suggested that if conversion is too complex, USDI might not be practical.

  • Speaker C: Considered this a technical/operational issue that the Steward team can handle once the proposal is approved.

Summary
The two-level treasury system was welcomed as an improvement for transparency and oversight. The flexibility of three funding options was valued, though practical challenges around USDI conversion and multi-sig swap support were highlighted. Consensus was that these are technical execution details to be resolved later by the Steward team with operational guidelines.

提案内容介绍

  • DAO v1.1 引入 两级金库体系，兼顾安全与效率：

    1. 主金库：保持不变，存放 DAO 总资金。
    2. 项目执行钱包：单独建立，由 2位物业成员 + 1位社区观察员 共同管理（2/3多签）。

  • 为应对 CKB 价格波动，提供三种计价方式：

    1. 固定 CKB 数额。
    2. 固定 USDI 数额。
    3. 固定 USD 价值（以 CKB 支付，下跌时 DAO 补足差额）。

大家建议

  • 发言人A：提出项目方在拿到 USDI 后，如何将其转化为其他资产，是否有明确的兑换路径？

  • 发言人B：补充，金库中的 CKB 转换成 USDI 的过程目前可能需要依赖个人操作，因为现有工具还不支持多签直接 swap，这涉及汇率与执行流程。

  • 发言人A（追问）：认为若转换太复杂，USDI 选项可能不实用。

  • 发言人C：认为这些属于 执行层面的技术问题，应由物业团队在提案通过后制定操作指南来解决。

小结
社区普遍认可两级金库体系能够增强透明度和监督，三种计价方式增加了灵活性。但对 USDI 转换的可操作性 和 金库多签无法直接 swap 提出担忧。总体共识是：这些属于技术和执行层面的细节，应由 DAO物业团队在后续运行中制定明确流程来解决。

Part 3: Governance Process 治理流程

Proposal Content Overview

  • DAO v1.1 proposes significant changes to the governance process:

    • Proposal stage: Replace the current “7 days + 30 likes” with a 30-day community review period, ensuring sufficient discussion time. DAO Stewards will facilitate AMA sessions, weekly summaries, and information flow.

    • Voting stage: Core thresholds and voting weights remain unchanged, preserving existing democratic rights.

    • Execution & oversight stage: Introduces optimistic voting for milestone funding (default pass unless vetoed) to improve efficiency and reduce voting fatigue. If a milestone is rejected, a crisis management stage applies, using pessimistic governance (default fail, project must regain trust).

  • Overall, the new process aims to strike a better balance between efficiency and oversight.

Community Suggestions

  • Speaker A: Asked if the requirement of “two public Q&A sessions” is mandatory per project.

  • Speaker B (Proposal team response): Confirmed it is mandatory, regardless of project size, to ensure visibility and information flow. Each project must have at least two AMA/Q&A sessions during the 30-day review.

  • Speaker A (follow-up): Raised concerns about multiple projects being bundled in one AMA session (e.g., 5 projects at once). Response: The Steward team will manage this via operational guidelines. If many projects arise, sessions can be split, but each project will still receive two opportunities.

  • Speaker C: Asked if small proposals (e.g., $5,000) must also undergo the same process. Response: Yes, because the purpose is not only funding oversight but also ensuring awareness and community engagement.

  • Speakers A & C (conclusion): Accepted the explanation, recognizing the value of consistent Q&A sessions even for small proposals.

Summary
The governance process redesign was seen as one of the most important improvements in DAO v1.1. The community agreed that longer review, mandatory Q&A sessions, and milestone oversight mechanisms will improve transparency and engagement. Concerns about practicality (session length, small projects) were acknowledged, but consensus formed that these processes are necessary for solving DAO v1.0’s issue of fragmented information flow.

提案内容介绍

  • DAO v1.1 对治理流程提出了较大调整：

    • 提案阶段：将现有的“7天+30赞”升级为 30天的社区审议期，确保充分讨论。物业团队在此期间负责组织 AMA、每周总结和信息流转。

    • 投票阶段：核心门槛和投票权重保持不变，保障社区成员的民主权利。

    • 执行监督阶段：引入 里程碑拨款的乐观投票机制（默认通过，社区有否决权），提高效率并减少投票疲劳。若里程碑被否决，则进入 危机处理流程，采用悲观治理模式（默认失败，项目方需主动赢回信任）。

  • 整体目标是让治理在 效率与监督 之间找到更好的平衡。

大家建议

  • 发言人A：问到“每个项目是否必须进行两次公开 Q&A？”

  • 发言人B（提案团队回应）：确认是必须的，无论项目大小，每个提案在30天审议期内至少有两次 AMA/Q&A，保证透明度和信息对称。

  • 发言人A（追问）：担心多个项目集中在一场 AMA，是否会过长？回应：物业团队将通过操作指南细化，如果项目数量多，可以拆分场次，但仍保证每个项目有两次机会。

  • 发言人C：问小额提案（如5,000美金）是否也必须走此流程？回应：是的，因为流程不仅是资金监督，更是确保社区知情和参与。

  • 发言人A & C（结论）：理解并接受，认为统一要求有助于信息流动和社区活跃。

小结
治理流程的调整被认为是 DAO v1.1 的重要升级。社区成员普遍认同更长的审议期、强制 Q&A 以及里程碑监督能有效提升透明度和参与度。尽管对操作性（如会议时长、小额项目适用性）有顾虑，但形成了共识：这些流程对解决 DAO v1.0 的信息割裂问题是必要的。

Part 4: Web5 Governance Platform Web5 治理平台

Proposal Content Overview

  • The Web5 governance platform is proposed as a another core deliverable of DAO v1.1 to fix the fragmentation of information and actions in DAO v1.0 (discussion on Talk, voting on Metaforo, staking on Nervos DAO/Neuron Store, etc.).

  • Goals: unify proposal discussion, voting, staking, milestones, and reporting into one coherent workflow to raise participation and transparency.

  • Technical & philosophy highlights:

    • User-sovereign identity (DID): Users log in with external Web5 DIDs; identity is owned by the user, not by the platform.

    • Data portability & choice: Users can store data in a default PDS (Personal Data Store) or their own server; data can be migrated across apps.

    • Verifiable voting data: Unlike centralized databases, DAO v1.1 aims for transparent weight attribution and verifiability, addressing issues like “double-spend” of voting power observed in current tools.

  • DID on-chain storage: current design uses Web5 DID stored on CKB (roughly “~300 CKB state occupancy” per DID depending on content), functioning more like a refundable state rent / occupancy, not a fee.

Community Suggestions

  • Speaker A: Asked about costs for DID creation (fees/state rent) and whether DID is required only for voting or also for discussion.

    • Response: DID is the identity layer and is required for platform participation (discussion + voting). Voting power still derives from Nervos DAO staking; DID binds identity to voting weight.

  • Speaker B: Concerned that ~300 CKB occupancy could become expensive if CKB appreciates, potentially discouraging participation.

    • Response:

      • It’s state occupancy, not a burned fee; CKB can be reclaimed (like an NFT deposit).

      • Classed Web5 application approach: high-trust, governance-critical “Class A” apps (e.g., DAO forum) use on-chain DID; mass-adoption apps (“Class B/C”) can use off-chain DID (e.g., DID:PLC-style) with no CKB occupancy.

      • As usage scales, expect Layer-2 / protocol upgrades / format optimizations to reduce costs; guidelines will evolve.

  • Speaker C: Emphasized that Web5 = Web3 (values) + Web2 (mature dev stack): decentralized identity & data control with practical developer ergonomics.

  • Speaker D: Noted that if millions adopt DID, on-chain storage for every DID may be unsustainable—anticipate L2 / hybrid models.

    • Response: Team agrees on a dual-track strategy (on-chain for A-class governance; off-chain for broader apps) and expects future cost optimizations.

Summary
The community agrees the Web5 governance platform directly targets DAO v1.0’s fragmentation by consolidating workflows and restoring data/identity sovereignty. The on-chain DID cost sparked constructive debate; consensus formed around a tiered identity model (on-chain for governance; off-chain for mass use) plus future technical optimizations (L2/format tweaks) to balance decentralization with scalability and cost.

提案内容介绍

  • Web5 治理平台是 DAO v1.1 的另一项核心交付物，目的在于解决 DAO v1.0 信息与行动割裂（Talk 讨论、Metaforo 投票、Nervos DAO/Neuron Store 质押分别在不同平台）导致的参与度下降问题。

  • 目标：将讨论—投票—质押—里程碑—报告串为一个统一流程，提升透明度与参与度。

  • 技术与理念要点：

    • 用户主权身份（DID）：使用 Web5 DID 登录，身份归用户所有而非平台。
    • 数据可携带与选择：可存于默认 PDS 或自有服务器，数据在不同应用间可迁移。
    • 可验证的投票数据：相较中心化库，DAO v1.1 强调权重透明与可验证，针对现有工具存在的投票权重“双花”问题给出设计回应。

  • DID 上链：当前采用 存储于 CKB 的 Web5 DID（约“占用 ~300 CKB 状态”，随内容而变），更接近可退还的占用/质押，非一次性销毁费用。

大家建议

  • 发言人A：询问 DID 创建是否有费用/占用成本，以及 DID 是否仅用于投票还是讨论也需要。

    • 回应：DID 是身份层，用于讨论与投票；投票权仍来源于 Nervos DAO 质押，DID 用于把身份与权重绑定。

  • 发言人B：担心若 CKB 大幅升值，~300 CKB 占用会提高门槛、影响参与。

    • 回应：

      • 这是状态占用，非消耗性费用；可类似 NFT 存证那样赎回。

      • 采用分类的Web5应用策略：治理关键的 A 类应用（DAO 论坛等）用链上 DID；面向大众的 B/C 类应用可用链下 DID（如 DID:PLC 类），不占用 CKB。

      • 随规模发展，将通过 L2 / 协议升级 / 数据格式优化降低成本；细则将随运维指南演进。

  • 发言人C：强调 Web5 = Web3（价值）+ Web2（工程）：在保障去中心化与隐私的同时，使用成熟的 Web2 技术栈落地。

  • 发言人D：指出若 DID 面向数百万用户，全部上链不具可持续性，应预期 L2/混合模式。

    • 回应：团队认同双轨身份策略（治理上链/大众链下）并将推进成本优化路径。

小结
社区整体认可：Web5 治理平台通过统一治理工作流、还权于用户（身份与数据）来直击 v1.0 的痛点。关于链上 DID 成本的讨论富有建设性，形成以分层身份模型（治理用链上、普适用链下）+ 未来技术优化（L2/格式升级）达成平衡的共识方向。

Part 5: Budget & Milestones 预算与里程碑

Proposal Content Overview

  • Milestones (4 total)

    • The proposal is structured into four milestones.

    • Team is already building at own risk during the review month: frontend is nearly complete; voting smart contract for the governance platform has been deployed to testnet.

    • MVP target: by end of October. If the proposal passes in mid-October, delivery will seamlessly proceed into subsequent milestones.

  • Budget: USD 100,000 equivalent in CKB

    • USD 72,000 → platform development
    • USD 18,000 → Year-1 operations of the first Steward (物业) team
    • Detailed breakdown is provided in the proposal’s budget table.

  • Open recruitment: If approved, the first Steward team will be publicly recruited from the community (self-nomination & recommendations welcome).

Community Suggestions

  • Speaker A: “Seems OK.” No objections to the budget split or milestone schedule.

  • Speaker B (general comment in open-mic): Recognizes v1.1 as a step forward to overcome stagnation; while different governance variants may exist elsewhere, supports voting in favor of this proposal.

Summary
The community expressed no material objections to the USD 100k budget or the 4-milestone plan. The team’s testnet progress and near-term MVP increased confidence. There is broad support to move ahead, with the understanding that alternative governance experiments can continue in parallel.

提案内容介绍

  • 里程碑（共4个）

    • 提案按 4个里程碑组织。

    • 团队已在审议期内自担风险推进：前端即将完成；治理平台的投票合约已部署到测试网。

    • MVP 目标：10月底完成；若 10月中旬投票通过，交付将无缝进入后续里程碑。

  • 预算：10万美元（等值 CKB）

    • 7.2 万美元 → 平台开发
    • 1.8 万美元 → 第一届物业团队一年运营
    • 细分项见提案内预算表。

  • 公开招募：若通过，第一届物业团队将面向社区公开招募（支持自荐与推荐）。

大家建议

  • 发言人A：认为“可以”，对预算结构与里程碑安排无异议。

  • 发言人B（开放麦总体意见）：认可 v1.1 能推动治理走出停滞；尽管社区也在探索其他治理版本，但将投赞成票支持本提案向前推进。

小结
对 10万美元总额与 四大里程碑未见实质异议。团队已完成的测试网进展与MVP 时间表增强了社区信心。总体倾向：支持推进 v1.1，同时允许其他治理方案并行探索、相互借鉴。

Conclusion & Next Steps 总结与下一步

This first AMA was incredibly productive and helped build a stronger shared understanding of the proposal. We want to thank everyone who participated.

The Community Review Month will continue. We encourage everyone to keep the discussion going on the Nervos Talk thread.

Our second, fully public AMA will be a Twitter Space held in mid-October. We will announce the exact date and time soon. Please stay tuned, and let’s continue to build a better DAO together!

第一次 AMA 的讨论富有成效，帮助我们建立了对提案更坚实的共同理解。我们想再次感谢所有参与者。

社区审议月将继续进行。我们鼓励大家在Nervos Talk 的提案帖中继续讨论。

我们的第二场、完全公开的 AMA 将是在10月中旬举办的 Twitter Space。我们将很快公布确切的日期和时间。请大家保持关注，让我们一起建设一个更好的 DAO！

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